The Four Aspects of Self for Healing & Creating the Life of Your Dreams!

BOB OLSON: I’m Bob Olson, editor of OfSpirit.com and I am absolutely thrilled to have this opportunity today to interview Neal Ryder, the founder of the School of Radiant Healing. I’d like to begin, Neal, by learning in a general sense what the School of Radiant Healing teaches and what kind of people could benefit from attending the school?

NEAL RYDER: Well, I have to tell you that I am as excited talking with you. I think that this is a just a tremendous experience for me; so thank you. I believe that what the School of Radiant Healing offers is information about how to live as a soul infused human being, and how to get there and stay there. And what it offers along the way is a way of healing, a way of softening the experiences—the harshness—that we’ve experienced in life, and how to bring that into balance within ourselves so that we are less and less unmoved by outward events and more an more solid in the knowing of who we are inside of ourselves. And that translates not only to our emotional or mental states or spiritual life, but also to our physical body in the way that we experience life and the earth at this time.

I think that the people who will benefit [from the School of Radiant Healing] are the ones who are drawn to it, the ones who—for whatever reason—have their interest peaked in some way, shape or form and they may not actually be able to put into physical words or coherent expression just why. Because this is soul calling. I believe the School of Radiant Healing is one way. And that is all it is; it’s one way—of soul calling to soul to actually live in a manner that is holistic and harmonious and compassionate with themselves and other people, and who want to heal that way and find value in bringing to a person understandings that perhaps they haven’t yet considered in viewing an event or emotion or specific arena of life.

Therapists would benefit greatly [from the School of Radiant Healing], housewives would benefit greatly, street sweepers would benefit greatly. Because in the end it doesn’t matter what you are doing… even if you are sweeping streets and you see a person walk by and you know them within your heart and are able to offer a quality to them, you have made the world a better place.

BOB OLSON: No question about it. You know I had a session with you yesterday, Neal, that was absolutely incredible. It was beyond my expectations. I have had sessions with a lot of different holistic / spiritual practitioners of all sorts and some of them just really stand out beyond the norm, and certainly the session I had with you did that. So it got me asking myself “Why is that?” I always wonder why some stand out so much beyond the others. I’m sure part of that has something to do with myself—it is always about us—and where I am at during the time. But two things were going through my mind, and one is that I realized when reading different parts of your website (www.radianthealing.com) that there are a couple words that you used often and I wanted to ask you about them. One word was “healing” and the other was “creation.” I wonder if they are the same thing, are they different, how do those two work together?

NEAL RYDER: They are close cousins of the same thing. Healing is about returning wholeness, whether in our physical body or to our emotions or to our life in general. It is important to differentiate between “healing” and “curing.” Healing is about returning to wholeness. Even if you are dealing with a physical challenge, it doesn’t guarantee that the challenge is going to go away, but that the soul—which is all that we are and lives beyond the passing of this husk that we call a body—grows, which is why we are here. Living on earth is an extreme sport. We come here to accomplish something that is incredibly challenging. I don’t believe any place else in the universe, except on other planets where you inhabit a physical body, do we experience the feeling of separation from Source and everything else.

The thing about “creation” is that we all create. This thought isn’t new, it has been introduced before, but it is how the School of Radiant Healing approaches creation as well as healing that I believe sets it apart from other places or programs that teach it. We are creating all the time. We were given as a gift—at the moment of our creation—the gift to create. That ability to create is flowing through us at all times. It becomes restricted. It becomes restricted by our belief in separation and by our belief in the availability, or our ability, to receive guidance. It gets pushed around again by our emotions. And where it is unresolved, and where it is unexplored or unexamined, it shows up in our physical body.

The School of Radiant Healing teaches you how to remove those restrictions and create more effortlessly. Because there is an aspect of ourselves—our spiritual aspect—that is specific to how we create, and everybody does it differently. So if we can discover how we are using this energy that has perhaps turned in on itself, we can discover a way to create more effortlessly in harmony with soul. It isn’t about personal gain. It is about harmlessness. We can create anything that we can imagine as it becomes aligned with our soul purpose and is done with an attitude of compassion. This is information, as far as creation goes, on how to do it for the benefit of everybody—not just us, but everybody—so that it benefits everyone. It is not concerned with just the creation of things. We begin [at the school] with the creation of qualities. And as you incorporate and hold more qualities within you, the ability to manifest—which is different than creation at this point—you are able to manifest more efficiently, more easily.

So I differentiate, and the information differentiates between creation and manifestation.

BOB OLSON: What would be some of the qualities that you would create?

NEAL RYDER: We are creating space within us for the qualities that are already there naturally to express themselves. So what we are looking to bring in and own and know within ourselves are qualities such as acceptance, forgiveness, compassion, understanding, friendship, abundance, wealth. And wealth I define as the presence of Source within all areas, or arenas, of life. It is not about monetary things. There is an abundance of knowing. There is an abundance of information. There is an abundance of friendship or friends. There is an abundance of support. These are all qualities that we can incorporate within ourselves that expand our awareness of who we are, and who we can be, and offers us a greater vision of what life on earth can be like.

BOB OLSON: What is it that has created this limited space? And if we are opening up space for these qualities, what has shut these qualities out—outside of us—if they come to us naturally and we already have them?

NEAL RYDER: Mostly it is the belief in not and the belief in separation: separation, limitation and death.

BOB OLSON: Okay, so we are talking about separation from Source or other people…?

NEAL RYDER: Both. And initially, separation from ourselves. We allow ourselves to know other people. We don’t allow ourselves to know ourselves.

BOB OLSON: And when you talk about that, do you mean our Higher Self?

NEAL RYDER: Yes. Absolutely. It is the Divine Sacred Self that we don’t allow ourselves to know.

BOB OLSON: Why is that?

NEAL RYDER: That is what happens when you live in a physical body on the earth. That body creates and maintains the illusion of separation. And until you go within and learn that it is within your heart where you are connected, where you experience unity, then you can’t fully appreciate that every thought you have and every word you utter affects everybody—it ripples out and affects everybody immediately. There is no time delay.

BOB OLSON: Which goes along with something on your website that reads: “We are spiritual beings experiencing a physical reality.” Even though that is almost a cliché these days, people still get confused thinking it is the other way around.

NEAL RYDER: What the School of Radiant Healing and the information offers people is a way to experience those spiritual truths—in a way that it may not look the way they thought it would, but what it does is it brings an experience… and how to maintain that experience, and how to expand it, and what that can bring you, and how to share it.

BOB OLSON: Generally your school programs last about nine months; is that correct?

NEAL RYDER: The programs taught within the school last nine months, yes.

BOB OLSON: So I imagine that after nine months, the students have created new habits, new patterns so that these become life-long patterns of behavior?

NEAL RYDER: Within the nine months, what you have done is identify a gift that you have to share and offer other people in a way that is comfortable for you, and you have incorporated tools that serve you throughout the rest of your life. Unlike traditional school programs where you take the class, take the test and forget about it. This is about living these principles daily, and how to do that and how to keep yourself centered within that knowing within you that you are connected at all times and everything else is the illusion.

BOB OLSON: So I can see now how anyone would benefit from going to the school because, first of all, it is about healing but it is not only for people who feel they need to heal. And it is about the creation of these qualities that you speak of as well as manifesting physical things. Do you speak of manifesting in reference to manifesting physical things in our life?

NEAL RYDER: Let me give you an example. Last year, we were just starting a program called Knocking On Heaven’s Door, and the first question asked in the program was: “You don’t mean material things?” I said, “Oh yes, I do.” We then started a process of question and answer where she was going to go small, and I said, “No, what do you really need materially in your life?” She said, “Well, I need a boiler, heater, for my home?” So I said, “Okay, manifest it.” And we went through the process of how to manifest that, which we spent a good deal of time on. She manifested it. Somebody gave her the boiler for cost within a month to six weeks after that. So, yeah, it is about things.

BOB OLSON: Incredible. Well, then, do you feel that everyone needs to heal in some way?

NEAL RYDER: Yes, everyone needs to heal, but healing just brings you into balance. That is just the start. It is the expansion afterwards that is the fun part. It is, “Where do you want to go?” Do you know there are realms of information and wisdom about soul and about whatever you can imagine that is just waiting for you to explore—all you have got to do is ask! And so where do you want to go?  And we introduce you [in the school] to those other nonphysical realms, and how to connect, and how to open up a conversation that can be maintained by you and expanded by you that allows you to have an ongoing conversation about soul growth—not only for yourself but somebody else, too.

BOB OLSON: Powerful. Now I know that one of the reasons that someone might want to go to the School of Radiant Healing is to become a certified holistic health practitioner, correct?

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely.

BOB OLSON: And yet, in line with what you just said, I quote from another interview that you have done, you say that “you can not heal beyond the point where you have healed yourself, or experience healing beyond your own comfort zone.” So since all this work is about helping others, we can’t help anybody beyond where we are at ourselves. So in order to be of the greatest service to others, we have to first work on ourselves. Is that what you mean?

NEAL RYDER: You have to be the greatest service to yourself.

BOB OLSON: And that goes with everything, including trying to create peace in the world.

NEAL RYDER: The only way we are going to have peace in this world—the ONLY way—is when people living day-to-day lives choose to end the terrorism that they do to themselves and bring peace to themselves. If we do that, and we make ethical choices, which are choices aligned with the highest good, that will ripple out in the family, that will ripple out into the neighborhood, that will ripple out into the town, and all of a sudden, as we demand from ourselves the integrity to make ethical choices, the government will make ethical choices, businesses will make ethical choices… It expands out. It is not limited to just us. Every time we make ethical choices. Every time we participate in a compassionate act, that energy ripples out and affects everyone. And the more people doing it, the greater the effect.

BOB OLSON: What are some examples of that terrorism we cause for ourselves?

NEAL RYDER: Every time you have a thought that you can’t do something, that’s terrorism. Every time you have an angry thought or desire harm for another person, that’s terrorism. And those are just day-to-day little things. Anything that is not harmless is a form of terrorism.

BOB OLSON: Those things often come without most of us even realizing we are having those thoughts. But through the work that you do with people, and certainly the students in your school, they learn how to stop thinking those types of thoughts?

NEAL RYDER: Within the school program, within the model of healing that is presented, those things are called “Automatic Responses.” You experience an emotion and you automatically jump to an automatic response without even thinking about it. We examine the root causes of those automatic responses, which are emotions that push you and beliefs which limit you. The examination undoes the illusion of separation. It undoes the illusion that you don’t make a difference. It undoes the illusion that anything other than harmlessness is justified.

If you realized that who you are harming is really you, you wouldn’t do it. But because we don’t recognize that, it becomes accepted and okay, and then not questioned, and then unconscious, which moves into automatic responses. They are just unexamined. That’s all it is. And the beauty of this is that there is no judgment or harshness in the universe. It is understood how difficult it is to live a physical life. And it is understood that there are times when we will succeed and there are times when we will act in our most human way. As long as an individual is striving to incorporate the aspects of say “more and better,” then a tremendous amount of support is available from the universe, from nonphysical realms—call them angels, call them guides, call them whatever you want, whatever your current belief system is comfortable with. But what we do is we then expand it. “Yes, there is that; but there is also this.” And it is always about inclusion. It is never about taking one and leaving the other. It is always about inclusion: from qualities, to guidance to abundance to health. You incorporate that resonant wholeness within your physical body and you vibrate those cells into health.

BOB OLSON: It is exciting to hear you speak about these concepts. So, am I correct that a part of what you do is teach people about the awareness and monitoring and changing of their thoughts?

NEAL RYDER: Yes.

BOB OLSON: And as a result, just that alone, just that one aspect of what you teach, I’m sure it must have amazing consequences, like transformational consequences for someone’s life?

NEAL RYDER: They would need all four aspects [of what the school teaches]. There would have to be the “application,” the “intention,” and a “time framework” that is reasonable, and then they would have to take on the responsibility to “clear” themselves of emotions that harm or beliefs that limit. Doing all four of those, then you move into transformation. One, alone, won’t do it. There is no silver bullet.

BOB OLSON: That is something that we did in my session with you. So people can also do this on a personal, one-to-one, level with you?

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely.

BOB OLSON: And you have been doing this even before you created this school?

NEAL RYDER: Yes.

BOB OLSON: I can definitely see how that could transform someone’s life. And I can also see how you would need each one of those steps. I should mention, too, that we didn’t spend much more than an hour where you were able to show me how to do a lot of those things that you just mentioned.  

NEAL RYDER: That’s right.

BOB OLSON: And this stuff is easy to do. Probably the hardest part is in having the discipline to do the work. Would that be correct?

NEAL RYDER: Yes, in the application. And then there are finer and finer understandings to what we covered in that one-hour also. Those are very broad-brush approaches to a much finer understanding that is available to the individual willing to work it, willing to put the time in and clear and actually move toward their dreams. In a very bottom-line sense, what I offer people in the school and on an individual level is how to manifest their dreams.

BOB OLSON: And who doesn’t want to learn how to manifest their dreams? Now I want to read this from your website (www.radianthealing.com), it says, “The school offers a comprehensive pathway designed to awaken the Divine Essence within and let one become the sovereign creator of one’s life.” What does it mean to be the sovereign creator of one’s life?

NEAL RYDER: You actually take conscious responsibility for all aspects of your life. The school teaches you how. It gives you concepts to incorporate with whatever you already have. You don’t have to give up anything other than limitation and separation. It teaches you how to do these things.

And a sovereign creator is someone who says, “I am creating even when I’m sleeping.” It takes a while to work towards that. But a sovereign creator realizes that—whether they are conscious of it or not—the events that occur in their life are there to teach them about soul. They are not punishment. They are not karma. I don’t happen to believe in karma the way it is presented, but it is like this: here is an event that came about because of a belief that you have… are you comfortable with the event? If you are, it is expansive and it is peaceful. If you are not comfortable with the event, then there are things to clear about that, and I teach you to pick them apart so that you find out what that is and change it—so you don’t have to do it anymore. And within the program, I am able to go back and change events that have occurred already, that have significant, profound, healing effects on their lives… when they take the time to do it on a regular basis.

BOB OLSON: I know you said that you do not agree with the way most people use the word “karma” these days, but do you believe in taking personal responsibility?

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely. I don’t believe in karma as punishment. That is the part I don’t agree with. I totally agree that you are going to meet yourself along the way. That is absolutely accurate. I just don’t believe that the universe punishes. I think that is a human trait.

BOB OLSON: Can we have negative qualities, such as selfishness or greed?

NEAL RYDER: Selfishness or greed wouldn’t be a quality. The only qualities I’m talking about are internal qualities.

BOB OLSON: So there are only positive qualities? 

NEAL RYDER: Yes, the other stuff is just the illusion. That is the illusion that there is an energy out there that is separate. It just doesn’t exist. Unity is unity. You are every blade of grass, every thought, every act, every emotion of everybody on the planet. That is unity.

BOB OLSON: That’s interesting. So things like selfishness or greed are a lack of these qualities?

NEAL RYDER: Right, that is an excellent way to describe it. It is an imbalance. It is a belief in not—the “eternal not” versus the “eternal is.” There are no rules. There is no hierarchy. There is only unlimited potential. There isn’t a hierarchy of spiritual beings. There’s none. They have different interests, but they are all equal because they contain everything. That is what unity is; it contains everything. And it is simply, what do you want, what is your interest as a human being, or as a soul, that determines where you go and what you do in service to others. Because it is understood that in serving others you serve yourself. But the beginning of all this is healing yourself first.

It is easy to be compassionate with someone else. We are the last ones to get compassion from ourselves. And it is usually an afterthought if we are even considered. But as you begin to include yourself in that, as you begin to understand that if I offer myself compassion, I can’t help but to be compassion with other people because I am giving from my abundance. And it can be inner-peace, it can be wisdom, it can be acceptance, it can be gratitude. How many people, when the bills come in, are grateful that they are in a warm house, that they have food in the kitchen, because there are brothers and sisters out there who don’t have that. There are brothers and sisters living on the streets who do not have warmth in their life. Do people remember to say thank you for what they do have, and please take care of my brothers and sisters?

BOB OLSON: So you would consider “gratitude” a quality?

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely!

BOB OLSON: What happens when we are experiencing gratitude?

NEAL RYDER: The universe sings. That’s what happens. The universe sings and goes, “Oh, they want more of that.” Fear constricts. Anger constricts. Loneliness constricts. Shame constricts. 

BOB OLSON: Does it also attract more of what you are fearful of or worried about? Is that a myth that we get more of what we focus upon in the negative?

NEAL RYDER: It becomes more dense is the way I look at it. It becomes more built into your beliefs, they get more strengthened in limitedness and lack.

BOB OLSON: Some people think that we send out an energy vibration when we are thinking negative thoughts like lack…

NEAL RYDER: We radiate energy vibration whether we are thinking a good thought or bad thought, irregardless.

BOB OLSON: Why do some people believe that their life is a constant struggle? What is it they are doing to cause that struggle?

NEAL RYDER: It is simply a misunderstanding. They don’t realize that they can change it. And no one has ever actually said, “This is how you can change it.” That is what makes this school different; I tell you how to change it. If you are willing to take on the work of clearing, I can tell you how to change it. The information, not me, the information that is offered can show you how to do it. And you work with it to get clear on it, and you work with it to incorporate it and it just happens. It just shifts.

Everything I’m offering is nonlinear. It’s not going to make logical sense to what we call the logical mind. You have to move beyond the human mind to experience beingness. You have to move beyond the physical body to experience multidimensionality. Because neither the mind nor the body can conceive of either infinity or multidimensionality. So we are working with eternal qualities and we all have soul, however it is called, and soul grows and expands within a lifetime. And these things [that we have discussed in this interview] offer a way to expand it—that you experience! And it is just like anything else, if you put time into it, you experience it. And you experience the changes and you go through the metamorphosis, the transformation. And if you don’t, then to whatever extent that you have done it, guess what? You’ve made life better! The very fact of beginning it makes life better, even if we don’t recognize it. It is a rule we have that it has to look a certain way? That will stop stuff. Of expecting something to happen and then it happens, well, you created it through the expectation. So [we teach you] here is how you clear that expectation. Here is how you examine it. Here is how you clear it. And there is more after you clear it, more to expand into and more to clear.

BOB OLSON: So now I'm wondering how this work that you do is related to the chakras?

NEAL RYDER: I don’t call them chakras because I believe they are more like channels. And I believe that they exist when you need them to exist, if you are doing something, because that is your area of focus and that is what you are trying to bring through. They all exist in potential, but have you brought them from potential into manifestation? What have you done for that? They all exist in potential.

BOB OLSON: Yesterday you had me doing some work in our session together where I was actually holding a meridian point over the heart, is that just metaphorical?

NEAL RYDER: No, that has the basis within that system for affecting the thymus and the heart. Because as things are brought to the heart where we can transform them, what we do is recognize who we are. As soon as we recognize who we are, we can recognize it in someone else. We never see anything in anyone else that we don’t see in ourselves. Never, good or bad or indifferent. It doesn’t come outside in; it goes from the inside out. Just like transformation has to occur within before it ever happens without.

BOB OLSON: Is that why people trigger us in certain ways? They are actually mirroring us?

NEAL RYDER: They are mirroring something we should look at.

BOB OLSON: So they are little gifts giving us opportunities to examine ourselves, become aware of ourselves?

NEAL RYDER: And behave better. That is the idea, the theory, behind it. We don’t usually use it that way. But that is the potential. And that is the potential for every human being on the planet. What I’m describing isn’t for just a select few. It is for every single human being on this planet. Every single person has this potential. Are you interested enough to begin exploring it? Are you interested enough after you have explored it to actually commit to it and begin to integrate it? Because as you do, then the world is going to change. And this will be true for anybody studying anywhere, it is incorporating what you are studying. Are you living it or is it a theory in your mind? If you are living what you believe, and we all are, then why wouldn’t you examine it to live better? The examination undoes the illusion, the illusion of separation and limitation.

BOB OLSON: I do know some people who say, “I don’t need to know about that stuff now. I need to worry about paying my bills, all the things I need to do around the house…”

NEAL RYDER: Those things done with soul bring in beauty to the home and bring in ease to paying the bills. If you can pay your bills and say “Thank you for allowing me to have the money to pay my bills,” the universe will respond by giving you more money because you said “Thank you.” But it is a little more than that. It isn’t just saying thank you; it is being thankful in your heart. That is why this is all focused on the heart.

BOB OLSON: Are there any religions that disagree with this work?

NEAL RYDER: None that I know of. This is completely nondenominational. This isn’t about changing a religion. This isn’t about following anybody. That’s just not it, is the easiest way to put it. This is about people being people, living and treating themselves and other people better. And this is how you can do it. This is one way.

BOB OLSON: You make it sound very easy, but this is not something that happens overnight though, correct?

NEAL RYDER: No, but it doesn’t take long. We talked about creation before, this is related. If you believe that it this is going to take you lifetimes to do this, guess what you just did? You guaranteed yourself lifetimes of struggle to get there. Instead say, “Show me how to do it now. I’m willing to learn. Show me how to do it now.” And depending on how rigorous you apply the exercises to clear and the exercises to connect and expand will determine how successful you are and how soon. And, again, you even have to take a step back and take it from a soul’s perspective. A soul may intend for someone to receive this information now, and they may or may not be what the person thinks is successful; but their soul might think they are successful and that is more important, because they actually acted on a prompting of their heart and said, “Let me explore it, at least. Let me take one thing and begin to work with it, take one concept like the highest good and begin to work with it and how to make choices from that which are ethical because they are compassionate and they include everyone.” It is a no lose situation.

BOB OLSON: So your soul is always pushing, or is it not necessarily pushing?

NEAL RYDER: Oh, let’s be blunt—it’s pushing! Oh yea.

BOB OLSON: We’re not here for complacency.

NEAL RYDER: No, and we are not here to see how many toys you can accumulate.

BOB OLSON: So what about fate versus freewill? How much is fate, destiny?

NEAL RYDER: There is no such thing as destiny. You want to talk about laws? That is the first law: free will. Guidance is not even offered if it is not asked for. The concept of soul, if it is not even contemplated, doesn’t even become an issue. And so you go through life thinking that you do your eight-to-five job, you have your weekends off, you try to make a good living, you try to be a good person, and you get caught up in that hamster wheel. This information removes you from that hamster wheel and puts you on a spiral of growth. Life has the potential to be whatever we want it to be, but it is done in harmony with soul and harmlessness for everyone, which is compassion.

BOB OLSON: Is setting the intention enough, or is a certain amount of action required?

NEAL RYDER: Again, it is those four things that go into the mindset: application, intention, time frame and clearing.

BOB OLSON: But those four things actually are action, they are effort.

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely. Nothing is ever going to be given to you.

BOB OLSON: So setting the intention really isn’t enough. You can’t just ask, you have to…

NEAL RYDER: Yes, you have to act. Say you ask for money, right? So you are in a grocery store and you take a look and there are fifteen million in the lottery that night. Then you take a look and realize that would be your last dollar and you don’t do it. Who is to say that wasn’t a way? That is not following the promptings of spirit. And, of course, that is a very gross example, I have to say. But it is applicable. I have a friend who was driving rather fast and was told [intuitively] to take this right, which would have made the trip a little longer so she ignored it because she had to get to work on time. Well, guess what was waiting on the other side of that right? A police officer pulled her over and gave her a warning. But if she had listened, she would have avoided the policeman altogether. It is very, very subtle.

Soul is subtle. It’s not gross. And it is very fine in its understanding. It is the subtleties that come, not the broad-brush strokes. Everybody gets, on one level or another, whether they have soul. And the beauty of this information? It works for agnostics. You don’t have to believe in God.

BOB OLSON: Why is that, because we are talking about the universe, not necessarily about spirits or God?

NEAL RYDER: Unfortunately, when people talk about God, they assign God human characteristics. So based on that I can understand why someone wouldn’t even contemplate a higher being.

BOB OLSON: Is that because it creates separation immediately?

NEAL RYDER: Absolutely. You don’t have to believe in God. Just try this stuff. And if it works, then try it some more. But it works. I know it works.

BOB OLSON: How does emotion play into this?

NEAL RYDER: The entire healing model that I offer, all the work that I do, is emotionally based. And the reason that is, is because emotions are the first thing that we learn. As babies, we have an emotional reaction to everything long before we have a coherent thought or belief. So healing the emotions actually is a short way to soul. That is a quick a shortcut as I can offer. Healing the emotions. And we have emotions associated with everything. And the emotions push us. And if we are pushed, we go to automatic responses or we discount, which is also an automatic response. This is an emotionally based model of unity for healing soul, spiritual, emotional and physical aspects of self.

BOB OLSON: And a great part of our suffering is emotionally based, so again, this work will help us to what, gain control of our emotions?

NEAL RYDER: Even the stuff that isn’t emotionally based, like I’m assuming you are referring to a physical injury…

BOB OLSON: No, I was thinking about fear, worry or stress.

NEAL RYDER: All those things are emotions. Stress is constriction. It is extreme constriction of energy, trying to force something instead of just allowing acceptance of it and then saying, “What can I do?”

What you are doing is you are bringing, first, the emotional responses that are harmful into balance. Say for fear, you’ve got courage or beauty that you balance as a quality against that. So you work with your intentions to know beauty or courage—the courage to take risks, for instance—and you clear those aspects of fear and you examine why you experienced fear in a certain situation, which will bring you to an understanding that it is actually a choice. And there are tools that the school uses that we teach that show you how to change your choices. And you can actually flip that filter. Instead of fear, just imagine joy or bodacious joy.

BOB OLSON: When you say “filter,” you are referring to beliefs?

NEAL RYDER: Yes, filters are a combination of emotions and beliefs. They kind of distort the way we view and understand ourselves, and therefore, other people. They restrict and limit the flow of life, life force, soul, whatever you want to call it, chi, in your life.

BOB OLSON: How does intuition play into all this?

NEAL RYDER: Intuition, in this, is related to guidance. And so, in that, it is related to the spiritual aspect of self, which is also related to creation. Our spiritual aspect actually speaks to our unity and the flow of information that we have available. I believe intuition is a natural aspect of ourselves that, as we cultivate it and develop it, moves into how we create and being connected all the time. Intuition is just a feather stroke or brush of potential that we have, of being connected all the time.

BOB OLSON: It’s always there, so the things that you teach could also help one to increase their intuition?

NEAL RYDER: Yes, you cultivate it. Everybody has the same potential. Everybody does. And people have made different choices or have different emotions or feelings or thoughts or attitudes around intuition, but we all have the same potential. And you can still clear it and become so incredibly intuitively resonant that what you experience is so far beyond… beingness is so far beyond intuition. And that is the potential that this information offers.

BOB OLSON: I think that goes back to something you said earlier about what this work is really about, which is in helping people to live out their dreams. So there are a lot of people who are, obviously, not living out their dreams, and probably because of fear or they feel like they are stuck. So, again, this work that you do—whether it be in a private session with you or through your school—allows people to overcome those obstacles and fears that are preventing them, or not allowing them to have the courage perhaps, to live their dreams.

NEAL RYDER: It undoes the illusion.

BOB OLSON: It undoes illusion… What a great way of saying it.

NEAL RYDER: There is actually nothing to overcome. There is simply something to allow. So what gets in the way of allowing? [Nothing.] I don’t make it so real that it becomes something to overcome. It is simply allowing. So ask yourself, how can you allow? What have you allowed? How can you allow more?

Part of the way that I understand the universe works is that you have got to be very clear about what you say, or about what you intend or about what you think. And if you are not, then it is difficult [for the universe] to respond. So it seems like things are occurring happenstance, but what is really occurring is that you are being asked to be clearer about what you want.

I have another story about a friend of mine. A lot of people are looking for that meaningful relationship in their life. So we worked on it together. She wrote down a list of qualities and characteristics of this person she was seeking. She got exactly what she asked for, but she forgot to include one thing: she never even considered that this guy that she thought was so great would just love sports. So she got exactly the person she wanted, he just loved sports. It doesn’t mean he leaves her, it is just that—in her joking about it—she says that next time she will make sure he doesn’t care about sports at all. The universe asks you to be that clear. And there has to be an emotion attached to it, a desire and gratitude for this being so now, that allows it to manifest. That is how we create. You’ve got to have that emotion, and it’s got to be positive. And when things come up, you’ve got to clear what comes up. You can’t sit and have a positive experience for a five or ten minute contemplation and then have fear come up every time the thought of what you want to do or expand upon comes to mind. It doesn’t work that way. You have to clear that fear.

BOB OLSON: One thing I want to make clear, because I think we have covered a lot of ground here, is that when you talk about Radiant Healing, you are really talking about four different aspects of the self. Can you tell us what those are and explain those to us because we have talked about a lot of things and sometimes you are talking about the soul, and sometimes you are talking about the emotional self, sometimes the physical self and also the spiritual self… maybe you can talk about those four aspects and help people understand how these work and fit together and work with one another?

NEAL RYDER: Alright. Soul has to do with our connection, our connection with self, our connection with… it’s about unity. And unconsciously we experience that unity as children up until the ages of, say, three and nine years old. And what occurs is something that I call a soul event where for the first time you experience separation from that unconscious unity and safety that you just took for granted up until that time. And there are emotions associated with those events, which is why this is an emotional model. Okay, there are certain emotions associated with that event.

Simultaneously, that fracture or layering over that occurs from that extreme experience of separation affects our spiritual aspect, our emotional aspect and our physical aspect. Now there are emotions associated with all those other three. Our spiritual aspect is about our receiving information from beyond our own level of understanding. It is about what people call guidance. And it is also where we create. And we have talked about how we have been given that gift to create at the moment of our coming into beingness, the moment we were created.

So we continually draw from that, only that energy then has to flow through that filter, that emotional filter, and it twists it according to the emotion and according to the beliefs about the potentials of actually creating or experiencing what we are trying to do. So our spiritual aspect is about guidance, it’s about creation. And our emotional aspect… our emotions are communications to ourselves about ourselves in relationship to an event or another person. Does that make sense?

BOB OLSON: Yes it does.

NEAL RYDER: And our physical aspect is actually the sum total of all the others where soul or expansion or wholeness is allowed and also where it is not allowed. So really the physical body when it becomes ill is like a wake-up call from soul to pay attention to something that something is wrong and you need to pay attention, you need to take a look at it. And to whatever extent that person does, it can return a person to wholeness—or just deal with the symptoms as opposed to getting at the root cause of it, in which case a different symptom will appear or something else will happen physically.

So those are the four aspects. Soul is about unity and connection. The spiritual is about guidance and creation. The emotions offer us feedback about ourselves. And the physical body is where soul is allowed or not allowed. And it is interesting because one of the things that I stress is the fact that guidance has the answer to every problem. Guidance has the answer out of every dilemma that we find ourselves in, and we will be given that answer regardless of what we’ve done to create that for ourselves.

BOB OLSON: How comforting to know that this guidance is there for us whenever we need it.

NEAL RYDER: Whenever we need it and whenever we seek it. And it is like anything else, you can learn to cultivate that and it brings tremendous peace.

BOB OLSON: It is amazing that someone can learn all this through the School of Radiant Healing, have used it in their own lives, and in most cases—if they’ve done the work—probably master how to do all this in nine months time. Is that correct?

NEAL RYDER: They won’t master it, as “master” implies that there is an end and that you don’t have to do any work. But what does happen is that within nine months, the student is given the experience of it. They are given—if they allow it—a vision for their own life, and they can see how to get there, how to live it. You can experience a level of connection, which I call “beingness,” if you work toward it and say “I’m going to do it no matter how long it takes.” That’s the attitude you’ve got to have. To do anything else sets up expectations that are just going to have to be undone and sets up almost a guarantee of failure.

What students are able to do in nine months is they have a healing model that will not only serve them, and serve the people in their immediate family, but can be used—because of the way this is set up and presented—as far as earning a certification and then going on and becoming a nationally board certified holistic health practitioner. They are able to incorporate that into any existing modality or healing or anything that they are doing, whether it’s a business person, a retiree, an acupuncturist, a nurse, a housewife, a dog trainer, it doesn’t matter. This applies to all people. And what they will have is the ability to work it, and if they work it, their life will change. And how long it takes is entirely up to their soul and them. I don’t guarantee, but what they’ll have is the information to get there if they want to get there.

BOB OLSON: Sure. And the tools.

NEAL RYDER: And the tools.

BOB OLSON: They actually end up with two certificates?

NEAL RYDER: Yes.

BOB OLSON: Your school is certified in two different ways; what are those?

NEAL RYDER: The School of Radiant Healing is certified by the American Association of Drugless Practitioners. And what that does is, after graduation from this school with my certificate, they send a photocopy of it to this association which then board certifies them as a holistic health practitioner. [As a bonus] because the school has been accredited nationally, it now serves the state of Massachusetts as a vendor for the Massachusetts Rehabilitation Commission.

BOB OLSON: Amazing. So then they can go on to do what?

NEAL RYDER: They can work as holistic health practitioners and they can call themselves whatever they want. This information can form the foundation for your own work or blend with whatever else you are doing. And I’ll be the first to say that it can be part of or all of whatever you are doing. And again, it is unique. Everybody is unique. If people want to learn this and learn more, it will serve them in learning whatever they have. And the people who want to take this and begin to work with it in a more intimate fashion, it serves them as well. Because you can’t do this for another person without also continuing to do it for yourself. So you continue to get clear. You continue to incorporate more soul. And that light is the light that radiates.

BOB OLSON: Well, Neal, everything you have taught us here sounds very exciting. If anyone wants more information, they can call you at what number?

NEAL RYDER: They can call me at 508-457-0792.

BOB OLSON: And they can go to your website, which is www.RadiantHealing.com. People can also have personal sessions with you, correct?

NEAL RYDER: Yes, they can have personal sessions with me or join this program that is starting in different cities all over the country, right now including Massachusetts, New York and California.

BOB OLSON: Well, I can’t thank you enough Neal for all you have shared with OfSpirit.com visitors. It was educational, inspiring and wonderful to learn about these new ways for growth and expansion. Thank you.

NEAL RYDER: Thank you, Bob. It was my pleasure.

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